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 <b>This is the third post of a series</b>, in which I <a href="working-at-rmod.html">interview my
 colleagues</a> of the <a href="http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/web/">RMoD</a> team (in Lille, France), with the hope that I
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 Here's the interview of <a href="http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/">Stéphane Ducasse</a>. It would not be possible
 to do an interview of the RMoD team without interviewing Stef: he's
 not only our leader, he's the backbone of RMoD. Since I joined the
 team, he managed to hire great people and build an awesome team
 around research and <a href="http://pharo.org">Pharo</a>. 
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 Stef shows so much enthousiasm and energy, he's always passionate
 about work, and care deeply about his team and what we accomplish.
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 <p>
 <b><i>Hi Stef, thanks for taking this interview. Could you tell us a bit
 about yourself?</i></b>
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 Let us what a biased introduction could interest people! Here is my
 try: I hope you will find something interesting.  
 </p>

 <p>
 I'm a researcher. I did my PhD at Nice on language design. I lived
 there for 30 years.  I started programming in Lisp and I like
 objects so I worked in CLOS and I was a CLOS expert MOPer. I
 declined a job for the company building tools to develop 3d Objects
 (they did for example the ones of The Lord of The Ring with the
 software), because it was not research, in California and without
 green card. So in 1996 I started to work on reengineeting after my
 PhD as a postdoc at Bern (where I stayed there during 10 years) - I
 knew nothing on it.
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 in my office because my wife was working 900 km during 9 months) so
 I stole the Smalltalk implementation of the University of Nice and
 started to learn Smalltalk for real. Before I could not run a
 smalltalk on my machine. I was shocked. The language was made for
 me: dynamic + objects. So I decided to give a lecture and I read
 everything I could learn. Then we bought a license for Smalltalk and
 I started to build <a href="http://www.moosetechnology.org">Moose</a>. Then my wife arrived in Switzerland and
 she had to teach math, physic and computer science. So in parallel
 to my day job I started to look at what I could do to help her and I
 designed <a href="http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/bostinc)">BotsInc</a>. 
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 <p>
 I looked at Squeak at that time and I started to program with it the
 night and the day I was working in VisualWorks.
 </p>

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 Around 2000 (I do not remember) I restarted to work on language
 design and got a lot of fun around traits, classboxes and others. I
 had a dream: a great open-source wonderful Smalltalk. Slowly I got
 more and more involved into Squeak and I finished to be the release
 master of Squeak 3.9. In 2008 I quitted the Squeak community because
 I really wanted to get a real clean and lean Smalltalk of 2000 and
 not something of the past. So I had a difficult decision: either I
 quit Smalltalk and do something else, or I build a new one from
 scratch or I fork. And I forked Squeak. I was not easy because I
 wrote several (3 books on Squeak), videos, lectures&#x2026; but I decided
 to build Pharo.
 </p>

 <p>
 Now Pharo is not my dream it is what I have now and daily I improve
 it and my dream is getting more and more a reality. To me Pharo is
 like an autobus full of people and I want that it transforms itself
 into a jet during our journey. I want to reinvent Smalltalk: I want
 a minimal core, isolation, scripting syntax, full C integration,
 bootstrap, vector graphics, new meta object protocol and much
 more. We are getting there.
 </p>

 <p>
 Now I created a company <a href="http://www.synectique.eu">Synectique</a> based on my research and I want
 it to succeed. We are building specific analysis tools to help
 managing large applications. I’m helping other guys to create
 another company on web applications and I also want to push so that
 it succeeds. I like the idea that people can feed their kids using
 our system and their intelligence.
 </p>

 <p>
 Finally I'm french, kind of important for me in this global world
 where everybody is expected to speak perfect english but where
 people judging others barely speak one language: their own. From my
 naive perspective, I would like to build a better world. I’m a bit
 sick of hyper consumerism, pollution, people making too much money,
 exploitation of other people (and many other things that if you
 really think about them you feel sick inside). May be one day I will
 do politics to try to change our world because we only have one.
 </p>


 <div class="figure">
 <p><img src="../images/stef-2.jpg" alt="Iznogoud" align="center" />
 </p>
 <p><span class="figure-number">Figure 2:</span> In front of Stef's office</p>
 </div>


 <p>
 <b><i>You are leading the RMoD team in Inria. What kind of leader are
 you?</i></b>
 </p>

 <p>
 I do not know. My door is open all the time and people can come to
 talk to me.
 </p>

 <p>
 Now I hope that I help them to give the best of themselves and make
 their dreams come true. I think that one part of my duties is to be
 an enabler: make sure smart guys come in the team, expand and have
 fun, building their life. May be I'm an umbrella or oak that
 protects little plants to grow nicely around me.
 </p>

 <p>
 I have a vision and usually I feel the direction where we should
 go. Fuel is a nice example of a really successful idea that we built
 step by step with Tristan, Martin, Mariano and now Max.
 </p>

 <p>
 Now I can be a pain because I'm stubborn and I often thought a lot
 about something and I'm often right. Now since I spent my time
 flattening the road so that others can drive I frustrate that I
 cannot drive a F1 on the same road (but to be a good driver people
 need to practice and my practice time is too short). But this is
 life.
 </p>


 <div class="figure">
 <p><img src="../images/stef-3.jpg" alt="Stef's toys" align="center" />
 </p>
 <p><span class="figure-number">Figure 3:</span> Stef has the playful mind of a kid  :)</p>
 </div>

 <p>
 <b><i>What kind of relationship do you have with members of the team?</i></b>
 </p>

 <p>
 My family? 
 </p>

 <p>
 Some people think that I’m too close. After some other people do not
 understand that not all the bosses are that close. And they may make
 mistake or be something crossing the borders but this is part of the
 game.
 </p>

 <p>
 I do not like to show my muscles to be respected. I do not need that
 (even if I can show my muscles and teeth and bit hard).
 </p>

 <p>
 <b><i>How does a typical day at RMoD look like for Stéphane Ducasse?</i></b>
 </p>

 <p>
 I arrive and usually forget that I have a meeting somewhere with
 Inria lab board (as part of the lab bosses). Then I run there.
 </p>

 <p>
 Or I forgot and it this is too late. Depending on the year period I
 plan budget, hiring, hardware, interns&#x2026; I love Excel, like Word
 (should be called Characters because in 2014 crashing on copy and
 paste and being so bad is an insult to our field).
 </p>

 <p>
 Then I read, review articles, write articles - usually when I put my
 name on a paper I worked a lot on it. Now lately with the community,
 Synectique and other tasks, it happens that I just read the paper
 (and this is a bit frustrating but this is the priviledge of the
 age). I work on project proposals. And I talk talk talk with people,
 listen listen listen to people, make sure information flow from x to
 z, that k and t talk together. Then when nobody is around or when
 people are on vacation I like to pair program on cleaning Pharo. I
 got great coding sessions with Igor or Esteban cleaning boring code.
 </p>

 <p>
 I write books the evenings. Or program my little stuff. I’m trying to
 avoid to do boring administration at home but so far I failed because
 else I would not interact with people.
 </p>

 <p>
 <b><i>What question would you ask another member of the team?</i></b>
 </p>

 <p>
 What do you want to invent?
 </p>

 <p>
 <b><i>Thank you again Stef, it was really nice!</i></b>
 </p>

 <p>
 Other RMoD members interviews:
 </p>
 <ul class="org-ul">
 <li><a href="interview-esteban.html">Esteban Lorenzano</a>
 </li>
 <li><a href="interview-damien.html">Damien Cassou</a>
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    <p>
    <b>This is the third post of a series</b>, in which I <a href="http://nicolas-petton.fr/blog/working-at-rmod.html">interview my
    colleagues</a> of the <a href="http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/web/">RMoD</a> team (in Lille, France), with the hope that I
    can share part of what it really means to work here.
    </p>

    <p>
    Here&rsquo;s the interview of <a href="http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/">Stéphane Ducasse</a>. It would not be possible
    to do an interview of the RMoD team without interviewing Stef: he&rsquo;s
    not only our leader, he&rsquo;s the backbone of RMoD. Since I joined the
    team, he managed to hire great people and build an awesome team
    around research and <a href="http://pharo.org">Pharo</a>. 
    </p>

    <p>
    Stef shows so much enthousiasm and energy, he&rsquo;s always passionate
    about work, and care deeply about his team and what we accomplish.
    </p>


    <div class="figure">
    <p><img src="http://nicolas-petton.fr/blog/../images/stef-1.jpg" alt="Stef image" align="center" />
    </p>
    <p><span class="figure-number">Figure 1:</span> Stef in his office, always smiling</p>
    </div>

    <p>
    <b><i>Hi Stef, thanks for taking this interview. Could you tell us a bit
    about yourself?</i></b>
    </p>

    <p>
    Let us what a biased introduction could interest people! Here is my
    try: I hope you will find something interesting.  
    </p>

    <p>
    I&rsquo;m a researcher. I did my PhD at Nice on language design. I lived
    there for 30 years.  I started programming in Lisp and I like
    objects so I worked in CLOS and I was a CLOS expert MOPer. I
    declined a job for the company building tools to develop 3d Objects
    (they did for example the ones of The Lord of The Ring with the
    software), because it was not research, in California and without
    green card. So in 1996 I started to work on reengineeting after my
    PhD as a postdoc at Bern (where I stayed there during 10 years) - I
    knew nothing on it.
    </p>

    <p>
    At Bern, in my office there was a big sun station (and I was living
    in my office because my wife was working 900 km during 9 months) so
    I stole the Smalltalk implementation of the University of Nice and
    started to learn Smalltalk for real. Before I could not run a
    smalltalk on my machine. I was shocked. The language was made for
    me: dynamic + objects. So I decided to give a lecture and I read
    everything I could learn. Then we bought a license for Smalltalk and
    I started to build <a href="http://www.moosetechnology.org">Moose</a>. Then my wife arrived in Switzerland and
    she had to teach math, physic and computer science. So in parallel
    to my day job I started to look at what I could do to help her and I
    designed <a href="http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/bostinc)">BotsInc</a>. 
    </p>

    <p>
    I looked at Squeak at that time and I started to program with it the
    night and the day I was working in VisualWorks.
    </p>

    <p>
    Around 2000 (I do not remember) I restarted to work on language
    design and got a lot of fun around traits, classboxes and others. I
    had a dream: a great open-source wonderful Smalltalk. Slowly I got
    more and more involved into Squeak and I finished to be the release
    master of Squeak 3.9. In 2008 I quitted the Squeak community because
    I really wanted to get a real clean and lean Smalltalk of 2000 and
    not something of the past. So I had a difficult decision: either I
    quit Smalltalk and do something else, or I build a new one from
    scratch or I fork. And I forked Squeak. I was not easy because I
    wrote several (3 books on Squeak), videos, lectures... but I decided
    to build Pharo.
    </p>

    <p>
    Now Pharo is not my dream it is what I have now and daily I improve
    it and my dream is getting more and more a reality. To me Pharo is
    like an autobus full of people and I want that it transforms itself
    into a jet during our journey. I want to reinvent Smalltalk: I want
    a minimal core, isolation, scripting syntax, full C integration,
    bootstrap, vector graphics, new meta object protocol and much
    more. We are getting there.
    </p>

    <p>
    Now I created a company <a href="http://www.synectique.eu">Synectique</a> based on my research and I want
    it to succeed. We are building specific analysis tools to help
    managing large applications. I’m helping other guys to create
    another company on web applications and I also want to push so that
    it succeeds. I like the idea that people can feed their kids using
    our system and their intelligence.
    </p>

    <p>
    Finally I&rsquo;m french, kind of important for me in this global world
    where everybody is expected to speak perfect english but where
    people judging others barely speak one language: their own. From my
    naive perspective, I would like to build a better world. I’m a bit
    sick of hyper consumerism, pollution, people making too much money,
    exploitation of other people (and many other things that if you
    really think about them you feel sick inside). May be one day I will
    do politics to try to change our world because we only have one.
    </p>


    <div class="figure">
    <p><img src="http://nicolas-petton.fr/blog/../images/stef-2.jpg" alt="Iznogoud" align="center" />
    </p>
    <p><span class="figure-number">Figure 2:</span> In front of Stef&rsquo;s office</p>
    </div>


    <p>
    <b><i>You are leading the RMoD team in Inria. What kind of leader are
    you?</i></b>
    </p>

    <p>
    I do not know. My door is open all the time and people can come to
    talk to me.
    </p>

    <p>
    Now I hope that I help them to give the best of themselves and make
    their dreams come true. I think that one part of my duties is to be
    an enabler: make sure smart guys come in the team, expand and have
    fun, building their life. May be I&rsquo;m an umbrella or oak that
    protects little plants to grow nicely around me.
    </p>

    <p>
    I have a vision and usually I feel the direction where we should
    go. Fuel is a nice example of a really successful idea that we built
    step by step with Tristan, Martin, Mariano and now Max.
    </p>

    <p>
    Now I can be a pain because I&rsquo;m stubborn and I often thought a lot
    about something and I&rsquo;m often right. Now since I spent my time
    flattening the road so that others can drive I frustrate that I
    cannot drive a F1 on the same road (but to be a good driver people
    need to practice and my practice time is too short). But this is
    life.
    </p>


    <div class="figure">
    <p><img src="http://nicolas-petton.fr/blog/../images/stef-3.jpg" alt="Stef's toys" align="center" />
    </p>
    <p><span class="figure-number">Figure 3:</span> Stef has the playful mind of a kid  :)</p>
    </div>

    <p>
    <b><i>What kind of relationship do you have with members of the team?</i></b>
    </p>

    <p>
    My family? 
    </p>

    <p>
    Some people think that I’m too close. After some other people do not
    understand that not all the bosses are that close. And they may make
    mistake or be something crossing the borders but this is part of the
    game.
    </p>

    <p>
    I do not like to show my muscles to be respected. I do not need that
    (even if I can show my muscles and teeth and bit hard).
    </p>

    <p>
    <b><i>How does a typical day at RMoD look like for Stéphane Ducasse?</i></b>
    </p>

    <p>
    I arrive and usually forget that I have a meeting somewhere with
    Inria lab board (as part of the lab bosses). Then I run there.
    </p>

    <p>
    Or I forgot and it this is too late. Depending on the year period I
    plan budget, hiring, hardware, interns... I love Excel, like Word
    (should be called Characters because in 2014 crashing on copy and
    paste and being so bad is an insult to our field).
    </p>

    <p>
    Then I read, review articles, write articles - usually when I put my
    name on a paper I worked a lot on it. Now lately with the community,
    Synectique and other tasks, it happens that I just read the paper
    (and this is a bit frustrating but this is the priviledge of the
    age). I work on project proposals. And I talk talk talk with people,
    listen listen listen to people, make sure information flow from x to
    z, that k and t talk together. Then when nobody is around or when
    people are on vacation I like to pair program on cleaning Pharo. I
    got great coding sessions with Igor or Esteban cleaning boring code.
    </p>

    <p>
    I write books the evenings. Or program my little stuff. I’m trying to
    avoid to do boring administration at home but so far I failed because
    else I would not interact with people.
    </p>

    <p>
    <b><i>What question would you ask another member of the team?</i></b>
    </p>

    <p>
    What do you want to invent?
    </p>

    <p>
    <b><i>Thank you again Stef, it was really nice!</i></b>
    </p>

    <p>
    Other RMoD members interviews:
    </p>
    <ul class="org-ul">
    <li><a href="http://nicolas-petton.fr/blog/interview-esteban.html">Esteban Lorenzano</a>
    </li>
    <li><a href="http://nicolas-petton.fr/blog/interview-damien.html">Damien Cassou</a>
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 The last 3 months have been exciting in Amber-land!
 </p>

 <p>
 The new release includes a lot of improvements, from the new package
 management to the AST interpreter, as well as improvements in
 Helios, the CLI tools and the compiler, among other changes.
 </p>

 <p>
 This time we managed to release after 3 months of development, but
 the goal is to shorten development cycles even more. Amber 1.0 isn't
 that far away anymore, and with each new release it feels more
 reliable and stable.
 </p>

 <p>
 Even though the compiler may change in the future I hope that the JS
 file format won't change much until 1.0, making the JavaScript
 compiled files backward compatible.
 </p>

 <p>
 Here are some numbers about this release:
 </p>
 <ul class="org-ul">
 <li>660 commits</li>
 <li>10 committers</li>
 <li>66 unit tests added</li>
 <li>152 issues were closed</li>
 <li>379 unit tests in total</li>
 </ul>


 <p>
 Read the <a href="https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/amber-lang/dv6lEYiKrAk">announcement</a> and grab Amber 0.12.0 from <a href="https://github.com/amber-smalltalk/amber/archive/0.12.0.zip">here</a>!
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